Thursday, June 6, 2013

The truth of Sino-Indian 2013 Ladakh standoff Part 2: The self victimization of Indians and their lies

Part 1 [See this]



Around the end of April, India's large national newspaper continued to be jingoistic. While small regional newspaper were also bashing China in Ladakh event 99% of the time, contrary opinion began to trickle out. The above map is from India Telegraph, a small newspaper based in Kolkata. The map give people a hint what is going on even though it is still very bias in favor of India. The incidence in Depsang is explained as below.

China and India frontier guards have been patrolling until their perception of LAC. Both are able to move in and out freely. However Chinese pitching of tents within a certain distance of the China's percepted LAC violates in 15th April 2013 violated an 1993 agreement. Hence, the problem is not about China's intrusion as Chinese regular patrol has gone much further into India's percepted LAC. The problem is China's tent pitching. Hence, India's accusation of China's 19 km intrusion is bullshit.

But why is China doing so? The Telegrah did not explain, making China look very bad.

India's Forward Policy

Before moving on, lets listen to an old story.

Since India's independence in 1947, she wanted to conquer a large part of Tibet. She has been until today, illegally occupying China's South Tibet, which largely correspond to Arunachal Pradesh today. The demarcation of South Tibet and Tibet proper is the so called illegal McMahon line, that Chinese never signed. The Indian president Nehru went further than that. He invented the "Forward Policy" to aiming to conquer a large part of Tibet.

Under the guidance of Forward Policy in 1961, Indian soldiers began setting up outpost, slowly progressing into China's territory, even way beyond McMahon line while Chinese restrained in taking any actions. There were eventually 60 such outposts, including 43 north of the McMahon Line. Indian soldiers viewed China's restrain as coward. Indian soldiers started to believed they have a lot of guts and provoked Chinese further and further, to the point of firing at Chinese. Indians scored victories over victories and built more and more outpost in the soil of China. China kept on withdrawing and India was conquering more and more Chinese land. Nehru was ecstatic.

Eventually China had enough and retaliated big time in 20th October 1962. To make things short, India solders proved to be a big coward and laughingstock. India lost the war miserably. Nehru was so heart-broken that he went Nirvana in 1.5 years.

In a typical Indian way, Indian media and academic accuse China of invading India, like the most shameless liar and rascal. That is despite that China withdrew 20 kilometres behind the line of actual control which existed between China and India on 7 November 1959, immediately after reaching Assam plains during the war.

China is a peaceful country. She just wanted teach India a lesson. Else India will never cease of invading China like the most dirty gadfly. China could have taken the whole South Tibet or on the very least Tawang, but she didn't.

The Chinese PLA showing courage and sacrificing themselves for the peace of humanity and against imperialism. Because of their sacrifice, people do not have to live under rascals who impose caste system and slavery. This picture of unconfirmed sources appear on many post and news report on 1962 Sino-Indian war.

India's Neo Forward Policy 2013

China's recent tent pitching in Depsang plains was driven by Indian Army's activities in Chumar Area, around 175km south of Depsang. This is exactly the same as Nehru's "Forward Policy". Taking advantage of China's recent tension in South China Sea, Indian creep forward building permanent bunkers in Chumar Area, an violation of Sino-Indian agreement. Below is by NDTV.

India began constructing seven bunkers in Chumar, which is also considered disputed territory, in April this year. The Chinese reportedly objected as a 2005 border protocol agreement between the two sides allow neither to construct any permanent structure. India has already reportedly constructed one bunker.

The Chinese, sources said, had also objected to aggressive patrolling by the Indian Army which is believed to have cut off the access routes of the Chinese patrols in this sector.

In addition, while both side were able to patrol of their respective perceived LAC previously, India's aggressive patrolling is tantamount of depriving China's access to its own perceived LAC. This probably occurred not only in Depsang or Chumar, but all across the Sino-Indian border. In another words, aggressive patrolling and bunker building amounts to territorial gain for India on China's expense, if it is not arrested.

India's rogue army

Also Mumbai DNA with 2.6 million of circulation published the article below.

The army had built bunkers and started undertaking aggressive border patrolling in Chumar in early April, according to highly placed sources. This had prompted China to play it off in Daulat Beg Oldi sector in the north of Chumar by undertaking a 19 kilometers incursion inside the Indian territory and pitching tents in Rakinala.

Top sources revealed that the high-level China Study Group (CSG) — consisting of national security advisor Shiv Shankar Menon, cabinet secretary Ajit Seth, defence secretary Shashikant Sharma, home secretary RK Singh and top heads of the central security agencies — took a very dim view of the army giving an inaccurate picture of its manoeuvres in Chumar.

When the CSG sat down to take stock of the Chinese incursion on April 15, the army had apparently said that it had only set up some makeshift shelters in Chumar sector to take care of its troops in times of need. 

Within the next couple of days, the CSG gathered evidence about the army’s actual position from independent sources and confirmed it with the agencies. The information proved that the army had given inaccurate information and was building bunkers that were not in line with the 2005 Border Patrol protocol singed by the two countries. On being asked by dna, the army denied having undertaken construction of any bunkers or intensifying patrolling in Chumar sector.

The leaks look quite probable. I conclude this given that during the Ladakh standoff, the civilian government tries to downplay the scenario, while military connected personnel keep feeding the media with hate against China.

It seems that this time, India's civilian government has lost its control of the army.

China did not incurred

As mentioned above, in Depsang plains, China was pitching tents within her perceived LAC, where she has been doing routine patrolling. Tent pitching violates Sino-Indian agreement, but no way China has incurred into India. And the 19km China deep incursion of Chinese claimed by Indian media is a wild exaggeration based on India's delusional perceived LAC.

The accusation of few hundreds kilometer of Chinese incursion in Chumar is even crazier. Chumar is 6 km from India's perceived LAC. An incursion of 250 km from here deep into India, will reach Shimla, capital of Himachal Pradesh and Leh, seat of Ladakh, depending on direction. This is a complete lie.

Chumar is marked A


Indians being brainwashed to hate China

In the whole Ladakh standoff scenario, I cannot find any valuable information on Chinese media. The Chinese government keep quiet and refrained from sensationalization. Meanwhile, India the aggressor feign victim. Everyday, I got choked with mad Indian media. The civilian government did tried to leak the actual ground situation, but it was too little. Instead of giving a coherent full picture, bits and pieces were scattered among China bashing articles.

Indians got more and more orgasm bashing against China and many online forum urge government to fight and accused the civilian government of being traitor.

The outcome

India agreed to destroy Chumar bunkers in exchange for China de-camping. China scored a big victory. This is a epic battle of truth against lies and good against evil.

Epilogue

In all serious forums and chat room where many intelligent people traded information, India has already been indicted as the aggressor and culprit. The people can be deceived but not scholars who did their research. China, being a benevolent power has shown restrain and rationality and that has improved her image among many online community. India on the other hand got discredited and mocked in many of the chat room.

China is a peaceful nation with no ambition for India's territory. China could have taken Leh in 1962 but she didn't. China is good. India never forget to invade China. Nevertheless every Chinese intellects (the peasants are not informed) are concerned about people of Ladakh and Zanskar. They are discriminated and they are now subjected to cultural genocide, with Dalai Lama, watching the other way and sucks up India. Look at the picture below you will know why. I will blog on Ladakh issue if I am free.

Zanskar people [Source]

Ladakh people [Source]


Leh [Source]

Leh [source]

19 comments:

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Veritas, This is a good factual post. It looks like India is looking for a repeat of the Look East Policy of Nehru and blaming China for it.

Veritas said...

They are in lock step with western. And western elites are supporting India since immemorial.

We need to get rid of our illusion with white man.

I forecast white man will continue to support India.

Anonymous said...

This must be upsetting to Veritas and Redbean and their ilk.

India and Singapore ink new military training pact

I agree with this comment"
"Why come to India. Lee Kuan Yew should have opted for his beloved mother land china or even Malaysia. The singapore is run by chinese with the secret links with Chinese Communist Party. These maoists want to gauge our defense preparedness and tactics. In battle against china we will end up fighting the same pilots we are training today for singapore!!!"

Anonymous said...

IF CHINA ATTACK SINGAPORE WHO WILL VERITAS SUPPORT ???

Veritas said...

India and Singapore ink new military training pact

I agree with this comment"
"Why come to India. Lee Kuan Yew should have opted for his beloved mother land china or even Malaysia. The singapore is run by chinese with the secret links with Chinese Communist Party. These maoists want to gauge our defense preparedness and tactics. In battle against china we will end up fighting the same pilots we are training today for singapore!!!"


This is a bad move and amount to shit. In ww2, british import FT Indians soldiers instead of arming the Chinese.

Estimated 40-60% of Malayan command are FT Indians. It result to the biggest shit defeat of British in their entire history.

Indians never fought. They surrender and immediately more than 60% change job and work for Japanese.

Then the Indians rape white woman POWs just like how Indian make India land of rape since immemorial.

Veritas said...

IF CHINA ATTACK SINGAPORE WHO WILL VERITAS SUPPORT ???

Singapore of course. But FT Indians support India in taking over their host states. Look at Sikhim you know.

Anonymous said...

not really, the religious United States is christian, and they view indians as idol worshippers, most americans aren't racist that care about racial affinity with indians, most are religious fanatics that care about Jesus, and between China and India, China has 5% of christians and India just 2%, plus many chinese aren't that concerned about their gods, on the other side hindus are deep devotees of their gods and christians think that is a sin,United States will support China

Veritas said...

not really, the religious United States is christian, and they view indians as idol worshippers, most americans aren't racist that care about racial affinity with indians, most are religious fanatics that care about Jesus, and between China and India, China has 5% of christians and India just 2%, plus many chinese aren't that concerned about their gods, on the other side hindus are deep devotees of their gods and christians think that is a sin,United States will support China

The Christianity factor do not help China a lot in USA relationship and China has 2% of Islam. But I do not doubt things will be worse if China is predominantly Islam.

To say China is Christian is wrong. To say China is Confucius is very much more accurate though not entirely.

Its a clash of civilization between Confucius on one hand, western and Hindic on the other. And also a clash of civilization between Mongoloid and Caucassoid.

Dont believe just see the reports of NYT, Economist, Washinton Post write about China and India.

Anonymous said...

India, US to hold joint military exercise at Fort Bragg in 2013 to prepare for their common enemy, China.

Some 400 American soldiers would attend the joint exercise.

The purpose of the exercise will be bilateral operations, the exchange of ideas and developing the ability to work side by side, Lt Gen Francis J Wiercinski, the commanding general of US Army Pacific in Hawaii, told The Fayetteville Observer in a recent interview.

"Last year, we had a Stryker unit in India with the Indians," he said.

The US soldiers worked with an Indian mounted cavalry unit.

Veritas said...

India, US to hold joint military exercise at Fort Bragg in 2013 to prepare for their common enemy, China.


Old news. China has been hated by India, USA and USSR for long time.

Anonymous said...

Veritas said
Old news. China has been hated by India, USA and USSR for long time.
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And also hated by Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, Korea, Malaysia ...and now, many African countries.

Why?

Veritas said...

And also hated by Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, Korea, Malaysia ...and now, many African countries.

Japan - USA take down pro-china elites and island dispute

Philippines - island dispute

Vietnam - island dispute + love-hate

Korea - love-hate

Malaysia - UMNO support China. PM Mahathir an Indian like China bash USA, despise India, in case you dono

Africa - like China. Western media fanning hate against China and try stiring up anti China hate. But african generally like China.

Veritas said...

Are Indians aware they every nations unite in contempt for Indians?

In USA, the elites hates China. But people like Chinese. Are Indians aware that how much resentment USA people have against Indian? You go to blog site own by white man engineers and also chat room and see how every engineers, not only white man but also yellow and middle eastern's opinions about Indian.

Everyone cannot be wrong.


Veritas said...

If you talk about the most hated country, it is USA. All Islamic countries hate USA. That does not mean USA has no good point. Even though Muslim hate USA, many wanted to migrate there.

If you talk about the most contempted immigrant, Indian is No 1. White man elites like Indian immigrant but Indians seems to have PR problem among white man people and among every tribe they met.

If you talk who who incur the most hate from neighboring nation, it is India. India is hated by Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, China. Bhutan tread on a thin ice as India control Bhutan army and Bhutan saw Indian eaten up Goa and Sikhim.

China is a big country. There will be some problem. But her foreign affair is not too bad if taken into account that China is a big country.

Anonymous said...

Jews in USA, Israel, Britain, Australia hate China.

Because China do business with Iran who wants to destroy Israel.

Now USA Jews push US Congress to investigate Overseas Chinese, including USA Citizen, for spying for China.

Anonymous said...

Chinaman = THIEF

American prosecutors, who last month charged three CHINESE scientists at the New York University School of Medicine with taking bribes to share research findings with their real employers: the Shenzhen institute and a separate Shanghai medical technology company.

Cases like the one at N.Y.U. of overseas Chinese scientists and scholars accused of secretly transferring technical information especially given that the number of Chinese students going abroad reached 400,000 last year. But the growing emphasis in the United States on technology theft by China has made some Chinese-Americans and overseas Chinese fearful of undue persecution. They point to the fiasco of the Wen Ho Lee case, in which a Chinese-American scientist was accused by federal officials of stealing classified nuclear-related documents.

CHINESE = THIEVES

Veritas said...

Chinaman = THIEF

American prosecutors, who last month charged three CHINESE scientists at the New York University School of Medicine with taking bribes to share research findings with their real employers: the Shenzhen institute and a separate Shanghai medical technology company.

Cases like the one at N.Y.U. of overseas Chinese scientists and scholars accused of secretly transferring technical information especially given that the number of Chinese students going abroad reached 400,000 last year. But the growing emphasis in the United States on technology theft by China has made some Chinese-Americans and overseas Chinese fearful of undue persecution. They point to the fiasco of the Wen Ho Lee case, in which a Chinese-American scientist was accused by federal officials of stealing classified nuclear-related documents.

CHINESE = THIEVES


Chinese Indians USA Russian spy on one another.

Just that anything with China get spice up.

Israeli spied on USA even more. There is no wall between technology transfer of USA to Israel. USA keep quiet.

Veritas said...

Jews in USA, Israel, Britain, Australia hate China.

Because China do business with Iran who wants to destroy Israel.

Now USA Jews push US Congress to investigate Overseas Chinese, including USA Citizen, for spying for China.


Generally elite white man don like China.

But Israel and China relationship still good. The upper class in Israel is neutral with China.

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