Sunday, May 5, 2013

Indian girl spreading racial hatred : Singaporean Chinese Cruxified

Recently a Indian girl by the name Brown Girl Faz wrote an article bashing Singapore as a racist country.

I'M A BROWN PERSON AND I LIVE IN A RACIST COUNTRY


The first time I experienced racism was in a classroom when I was nine years old. I didn’t know what was happening, but I understood that there was a lot of hate there while my teacher loomed over me and said, “You know why I didn’t call on you to answer my questions? Because your skin is black.”

She spat the word black like it gave her boils. 

I’m from Singapore. One of the richest nations in the world, touted as a cultural and religious melting pot with racially harmonious Rainbow Brites running around throwing glitter in the air. I’m calling bullshit. I have never felt like I belonged in this country a single day of my life.

Products that are supposed to whiten your vaginas may be new to the beauty market in Asia, but the correlation between dark skin and "dirtiness" is not anything new. You don’t even have to look further than the makeup counters and drugstores –- no colors exist after a certain shade of beige.

I should explain the racial make-up of Singapore: 



 Faz commented on this pic "The only dark skinned girl in the room". She is trying on protray herself as a solitude minority out of a sea of yellow people. Look the the picture carefully, there are 3 non-mongoloid out of a total of 8 people. That is to say, there is close to 40% non-mongoloid. And whether all mongoloid is Chinese or speak Chinese (they could be Indonesian or Thai), is one other big question.



It is a country of 5 million people, with Chinese making up 74% of the population, Malays -13%, Indians - 9% and the rest are Eurasians and other minority ethnicities. Right from the time you are born, your ID tells you what race you are. Nobody identifies themselves as Singaporean first; your racial identity is what you are first and foremost.

I was already a cultural mess to begin with -– unlike most of Singapore whose first languages are their arterial languages (i.e., the Chinese speak Mandarin, the Malays speak Malay, Indians speak Tamil), I come from an English-speaking Indian family. 

So while kids hung out with other kids who spoke their mother tongue at recess, I spent my lunchtime solo with a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and Enid Blyton. 

In hindsight, what appalls me most is not how merciless my peers were in school, but how many of the educators were equally if not more vindictive. The teacher I mentioned earlier? She taught me English, Math and Science for two years and made me sit by myself right at the back of the class. The whole two years I was made to feel worthless and disgusting, and the entire time I thought it was my fault. 

I was to blame because I had skin that matches the earth. I deserved it all.

When I was 11, we were told to write poetry and present it in class. A boy wrote about me. Not a sappy puppy love letter, mind you –- it was a poem about how fat I was, how black I was and how I was a mess, I shouldn’t exist. Instead of doing anything about it, the teacher (a different one) laughed with him and with the rest of the class.

High school was no exception of course. People tend to think that just because I’m Indian, I couldn’t speak anything else other than Indian languages but my multi-lingual background allowed me into a world where people spoke about you in languages they thought you didn’t understand.

Let me tell you –- oblivion can be blissful. I can never erase the things people have said about me in front of me just because they thought I wouldn’t understand. 


At 15, when my self-esteem was probably at its lowest, I walked past a bunch of guys talking openly about me: “If Faz were fairer, she’d be pretty.”

Keling (the Indian equivalent of n*gger). Burnt. Black skin. Dirty. I’ve been called the worst names from fellow Singaporeans. 

It’s funny because one of the lines in the Singapore pledge is “We are the citizens of Singapore… Regardless of race, language or religion.” You’d recite this pledge every morning in school for at least 10 years of your life, but who actually means what they pledge?

Which is why I love being in the US –- there's  foundation that matches my skin, I see Indian, Chinese and African-American people on TV and I don’t feel like people are constantly judging me based on the color of my skin.

While I work and surround myself with people who never look at my skin color as something that defines me, I walked into an elevator just last week and had two guys talking about me in Malay. Of course I told them off as I stepped out, but it’s so disheartening.

I spent an hour looking through local magazines for a dark-skinned person and I couldn’t find any. What I could find were pages and pages of whitening products. Minority races on the main English TV channel are never main characters -– they are usually obese and made fun of (don’t get me started about how I’m a US Size 8 and “obese” in Asia).



For now, as far as I’m concerned, I know it starts with me. I will call anybody out for racism, I will continue writing and featuring people of all colors and sizes in my work, I will teach my children that your skin is something you should be so proud of because skin itself is a miracle, no matter what shade of awesome you are.

One day maybe Singapore will follow suit. 



First this article tries to mis-inform by mixing truth with lies. She wrote "Products that are supposed to whiten your vaginas may be new to the beauty market in Asia, but the correlation between dark skin and "dirtiness" is not anything new. You don’t even have to look further than the makeup counters and drugstores –- no colors exist after a certain shade of beige." This was written while she give a backdrop of Chinese majority Singapore, as if Singaporean Chinese forced everyone to accept the notion that white is good.

Unfortunately, the reverse is true. Its the Indian culture of herself that is crazy and mad about being white. Its Indians who look down on black people. Whitening cosmetic biggest market is not Singapore, but India.




Instead of writing about whitening and make up in Singapore, she should curse her own culture for being crazy about being white. This has little to do with Chinese culture in Singapore. Many Chinese in Singapore can be quite dark, especially those manual job workers. In India, the high caste Indians are white, and low caste are dark. So all Indians like to be white.

Then she mentioned she was called "Keling (the Indian equivalent of n*gger). Burnt. Black skin. Dirty. ......called the worst names from fellow Singaporeans."

She claimed people was derogating her. But who is calling her? Chinese or Malay? According to Wikipedia, the word keling is never a derogation until 1960. These degeneration of "keling" did not took place in Singapore, but Malaysia. Before that, keling is the most common colloquial terms to describe Indians in Behasa Malayu. It was even used in very formal text written by Europeans in European languages. The degeneration is not even in Chinese languages at ALL. It is not derogatory Behasa Malayu, until very recently.

The term keling in Chinese is "吉宁", literally "lucky and peaceful". If you search the term keling (吉宁) in Chinese in google, you are not able to find anything derogatory. Most results are to describe places like Masjid Kampung Kling (甘榜吉宁清真寺). Malaysia Chinese webpage may also have information to warn people against using the word keling "吉宁". And Chinese in China even use "吉宁" on one another in high frequency. How can it be any derogatory? 


But if you study Behasa Malayu in Malaysia, things started to get more funny for the word keling. And it was not after 1990s that "Keling" is widely considered derogatory in Malaysia, and in Singapore, the negative connotation was largely unknown.

It would be quite true that that local Singaporeans may not know what is happening across the causeway. We have no access to the media in Malaysia other than those filtered one relayed in local newspaper. Other than the very informed people, her young friends in Singapore could have used "keling" without much thoughts. How you expect kids to be informed?

But for Faz, any young friend calling her "keling" during her childhood is racist to her, without any deeper thinking.

Then she continue to write, "Which is why I love being in the US ..... and I don’t feel like people are constantly judging me based on the color of my skin".

Just few months before she publishes her work, Indian Sikh were murdered in large number by white Nazi gun man. And in India newspaper alone, not to mention USA paper, there are many reports that Indians are target for hate crimes nowadays in USA. More than yellow people, Indians are widely resented in all blogs and discussions. Almost every Indians friends told me, they have been call racial slur in USA or being bullied in schools. Most racist crime against Indians such as bullying, beating, never made it to newspaper.

For Faz, everything happen in white man land is ok, even if many Indians got beaten, shouted and murdered by white nazi. Faz likes white man. She hates Chinese. Faz just want to paint Singaporeans, especially Chinese as racist. 

In Singapore, there is not a single racial hate crime for decades, because the Chinese are the most colorblind people. That does not matter to her. 



This man Latchman Ramnarine had his eyes ripped out by Jason Wallace, while his attacker shouted "I hate Indian". USA not racist, Singapore racist. [see this]. Just look at Indian newspaper alone, you find lots of hate crime in USA targeting Indians. This is not an isolated incidence.

The worst racist in Singapore is not Non-Indian people but Indian themselves. Go Citibank@CBP and tell me what is racist.

98 comments:

Anonymous said...

Tsk, tsk, tsk
She's expressing her surroundings growing up. Racism is everywhere and it is the duty of a matured person to assure and explain.

My friend, pls lah, I could understand yr hung up on the caste system but to accuse a young fellow Singaporean? Shame on you

Veritas said...

I am not saying Singaporean Chinese is non racist. Chinese is the least racist among all tribe.

But in this case, she has no brain. She got to white man land, lick up white man, not knowing that many of white man actually hates Indians.

If she go and talk bad about other race, that is none of my problem. She come screw chinese, I will expose her

Anonymous said...

Aisey Veritas my man dont go overboard lah.
She did say the elevator incident where malay was used. Only malays will speak purely malay, so why u do not come to the Malays defence too. U're proto MALAY right?

- 'She come screw chinese......'
U really are crazy. Verbal screw only, you panic already. Eh go n scrutinize her snaps with mostly chinese friends. Did you go to Brothers/elite school to not be aware of racism faced by impressionable youths, chinese included, mind you?

Veritas said...

She give Malay a shotas well. And so funny, so many malay use her article attacking chinese in her comment.

If we Chinese are racist, I apologize for my tribe. Sorry.

Malay and Indian are 100x more racist than Chinese. They are creator of bumiputra-ism and caste-ism.

I aware of impressionate young mind poisoned in schools of white man land. Almost everyone colored people got called racist slur or beaten up. But to her, everything in white man land ok, singaporean chinese not ok.

How about even worse racist slur in malayland at the north and in dalit land? Worse than white man land.

I will defend singaporean chinese. WE ARE SOOOOO Good.

Anonymous said...

Walau eh! Why u so blinded with all those knowledge/baggage. Be kind and understanding can or not?
Dont apologise on my behalf cos I believe that I'm not racist (trying as best as I could)

U got see what year is this - not 50's, 60's, 70's or 80's ?
The young Sinkies now are more aware of whats going on back then. I say good for them. Let them be open n judge the earlier generations. Hopefully they'll learn what racism did to us now and not to repeat LKY racial policies.

Yr so called Malayland is so generous, that they embraced us, just on the virtue of their phophet saying -
"All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; white has no superiority over black, nor does a black have any superiority over white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action."
Then again there are always bigots. But as a whole, Malays being Muslims are more tolerant that we are so big-headed now as to lay claim their Malayland. Shame on us.

Dalit land - never been there but yr stories does say something.

- WE ARE SOOOOO Good.
Wat! now you saying u better than Jesus. He deny that he is good. You'll be questioned over that statement my friend.

Be moderate lah. U so overboard that you forgot the teachings in the Old Testament. No wonder Jesus will push us away saying - " I dont know you, you ........ "




Veritas said...

Walau eh! Why u so blinded with all those knowledge/baggage. Be kind and understanding can or not?
Dont apologise on my behalf cos I believe that I'm not racist (trying as best as I could)

U got see what year is this - not 50's, 60's, 70's or 80's ?
The young Sinkies now are more aware of whats going on back then. I say good for them. Let them be open n judge the earlier generations. Hopefully they'll learn what racism did to us now and not to repeat LKY racial policies.

Yr so called Malayland is so generous, that they embraced us, just on the virtue of their phophet saying -
"All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; white has no superiority over black, nor does a black have any superiority over white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action."
Then again there are always bigots. But as a whole, Malays being Muslims are more tolerant that we are so big-headed now as to lay claim their Malayland. Shame on us.

Dalit land - never been there but yr stories does say something.

- WE ARE SOOOOO Good.
Wat! now you saying u better than Jesus. He deny that he is good. You'll be questioned over that statement my friend.

Be moderate lah. U so overboard that you forgot the teachings in the Old Testament. No wonder Jesus will push us away saying - " I dont know you, you ........ "


LOL

Anonymous said...

All i see is an indian girl suffering from acute inferiority complex on her black skin and perhaps lower caste in her own indian community. She is taking it out on all other races except the whites and her own race.

If she has no pride for what she is, she will always see others as looking down on her.

Anonymous said...

I made a retort on her bias and one-sidedness of her article, and I got numerous replies.All sided with her that Singapore is a racist country and by the look of their monikers, all were fellow Indians.
I sometimes feel the Indian minority never had it so good here as in other places. They are over represented in Government, professional jobs etc despite their small population. Yet they are always clamouring for more - no signboards or public. annoucements in Tamil or the majority are insensitive to them etc
I don't see our Malay friends complaining about those.

Veritas said...

We Chinese must stand firm. I saw so many Singaporeans minorities putting hate comment on her post against Chinese.

But what IF our minorities is in charged today?

We may either have a big Citibank@CBP or we may have a bumiputra-state.

I would not say Chinese are non-racist. But our minorities fare much much worse in their home ground and every of their peripheral states.

Take Hindic core states like India and peripheral like Nepal, Bangla, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, all have very serious shit racism problem.

Malayic state without Islam is ok, such as philippines, East Timor..etc. With Islam it is quite intolerant like Malaysia and Indonesia.

I feel angry when I see Chinese cannot defend ourselves. We must know history and truth, in order to be strong and stay firm.

Anonymous said...

If the majority is so unsympathetic and not understanding, not to mention phobia to a young woman's experiences in racism, just imagine how the minorities feel abt us.
Oi people, are you so dumb not to know who's running this country. Why are you so threatened? Assure the minorities by not retorting because this is what they feel.

Phillipines, East Timor -
I dare you to go n live there. Enough said.
Malaysia, Indonesia intolerant? Not until you got big headed as to economically bully the locals will they kick you out. I always enjoyed my holidays there n they love me cos I'm humble and not a bigot. Did you wonder why Chinese Malaysians working here stiil hold on to that MyKad.

Veritas, you're not young anymore. Mati sudah mau sampai n mau datang. Is this the legacy you're leaving? Not to mention Jesus mau question itu statement. LOL definately will not do.

Veritas said...

Phillipines, East Timor -
I dare you to go n live there. Enough said.
Malaysia, Indonesia intolerant? Not until you got big headed as to economically bully the locals will they kick you out. I always enjoyed my holidays there n they love me cos I'm humble and not a bigot. Did you wonder why Chinese Malaysians working here stiil hold on to that MyKad.


Philipines and E Timor is not attractive to me because of lack of economic opportunities. That does not imply they are racist.

Malaysia's bumi policy and Indon's pogrom against minority is well known.

Maybe you imagine living as minority there then tell me how is it like when someone result worse than you go uni just because of race.

Anonymous said...

Phillipines and East Timor - We so well known to be industrious n hardworking, plenty of opportunities if you put on yr thinking cap. Of course try not to manipulate the locals, which we so prone of doing. With that attitude n biasness lu sure mati. But for me either I'll be one of them or just plain rich (which I dont covert anyway).

- 'Maybe you imagine .......... Just because of race'
That why I'm saying you forgot the teachings in the Old and even the New Testament.
Even in that situation, we so far ahead than them. Whose work is that?You want to be vengeful? Dont you see the glory of a just God. So, serve the Almighty with piety and good action - Prophet Muhammad Last Sermon.

Look at the Jews. They have suffered in the hands of bigotted Christians and now they are strong, they are doing the same thing to another race. Dont be like them and pls throw that blinkers away can or not.

I have said my piece and hope you change. Shalom.

Anonymous said...

You should read this:

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20081108-99242.html

How would you feel if you were not Chinese, and a parent of a non-Chinese child?

Would Singapore seem like a fair place to you?

Regards.

Anonymous said...

You are a fucking retard.

Veritas said...

How about Malaysia or India for minority?

Anonymous said...

"How about Malaysia or India for minority?"

Veritas,

I posted the asiaone link.

Your response is a common one, but it falls short.

I am Singaporean. I don't care about what happens in India, Malaysia, America, or France. I care about what happens in Singapore.

The defence that racism happens elsewhere, and so should be tolerated in Singapore is a bad argument.

Try harder.

Regards.

Veritas said...

"How about Malaysia or India for minority?"

Veritas,

I posted the asiaone link.

Your response is a common one, but it falls short.

I am Singaporean. I don't care about what happens in India, Malaysia, America, or France. I care about what happens in Singapore.

The defence that racism happens elsewhere, and so should be tolerated in Singapore is a bad argument.

Try harder.

Regards.


Singaporean Chinese are the least racist among all nations and tribes.

Anonymous said...

I have to agree with Veritas that Indians have a preference for fair skin. Just go through their Matrimonial Section in the Times of India newspaper and you will see many postings asking for prospective fair skin brides!

Anonymous said...

Veritas said " ...because the Chinese are the most colorblind people."

What are you smoking?

Many of Singapore's Chinese are racist and bigoted. They feel superior to Singapore's non-Chinese.

But, inferior to the Ang Mos.

Veritas said...

Veritas said " ...because the Chinese are the most colorblind people."

What are you smoking?

Many of Singapore's Chinese are racist and bigoted. They feel superior to Singapore's non-Chinese.

But, inferior to the Ang Mos.


Singapore minorities shit on one another and even own people far worse.

Malay especially Malaysian Malay shit on Indians. Keling was generated because of racist slur in Malay like " cakap macam keling "..etc. UNMO shit on Indian big time.

High caste Indian shit on local low caste Indians. No high caste Indians ever married local Indians or Malay. They despise them.

High caste Indians boast in all forum that they took Chinese woman as wife. Inside them they know we are good people.

Chinese woman marry low caste indians in big numbers. Low caste Indian still cannot marry Brahmin. Low caste Indians got to commit suicide to reincarnate high caste to marry Brahmin,

Our minority are big big racist that like to shit on others. They feign victim here accusing the kindest Chinese people as racist. Thats why their home country are backward, in no small part due to their self victimization.

Anonymous said...

Anon 9:25
Human being are weird. Angmos yearned for that coloured skin. The coloured yearned for that white skin. So wats new.

We're now talking abt racism.
We should try to be more understanding and sincerely embrace a fellow Singaporean.

Veritas yr call of unity where we are the majority is obnoxious to say the least.

Veritas said...

Human being are weird. Angmos yearned for that coloured skin. The coloured yearned for that white skin. So wats new.

We're now talking abt racism.
We should try to be more understanding and sincerely embrace a fellow Singaporean.

Veritas yr call of unity where we are the majority is obnoxious to say the least.


I am colorblind.

Anonymous said...

I think she is biased. When I was in school, most teacher - any race , also like to insult the students. They did that to protect their rice bowls fearing that we will replace them when we grow up if we do well in schools. I was called pig, snake, stupid whatever when I was young. MOE sucks.

Anonymous said...

I think angmo are also very color blind. There are a lot of interracial marriages in europe especially in holland, uk, norway whereas it is still a small percentage in chinese dominated societies.

Veritas said...

I think angmo are also very color blind. There are a lot of interracial marriages in europe especially in holland, uk, norway whereas it is still a small percentage in chinese dominated societies.

Chinese is more colorblind. There is a lot Chinese woman marrying dark skin Indian and malay. look at our cabinet.

Veritas said...

I think she is biased. When I was in school, most teacher - any race , also like to insult the students. They did that to protect their rice bowls fearing that we will replace them when we grow up if we do well in schools. I was called pig, snake, stupid whatever when I was young. MOE sucks.

More Chinese need to speak up. Our minority came from cultural background of some of the worst racism and extremism.

Alos said...

"In Singapore, there is not a single racial hate crime for decades, because the Chinese are the most colorblind people." So what are you saying, that only Chinese Singaporeans count as Singaporeans? And you keep saying that Indian Singaporeans are racist because of the way Indians in India behave.

So do you mean that Indian Singaporeans are not Singaporeans, but Indians living in Singapore?

Remember that Singapore is NOT a Chinese country.

Alos said...

"Chinese is more colorblind. There is a lot Chinese woman marrying dark skin Indian and malay. look at our cabinet."

So Chinese marrying Indians or Malays would count as being colourblind, but Malays or Indians marrying Chinese does not? You have strong double standards for someone who claims to be colourblind.

Veritas said...

Chinese anchor the atmosphere where every race and religion co-exist peacefully.

If UMNO continues to rule as federal government like 1963, guess what you get?

Veritas said...


So Chinese marrying Indians or Malays would count as being colourblind, but Malays or Indians marrying Chinese does not? You have strong double standards for someone who claims to be colourblind.


Chinese is the most flexible in inter racial marriage. No conversion no caste.

Alos said...

Chinese is the most flexible in inter racial marriage. No conversion no caste.

My question is, why is a Chinese marrying other races an example of being colourblind, but a Malay or Indian marrying other race not considered colourblind?

Veritas said...

My question is, why is a Chinese marrying other races an example of being colourblind, but a Malay or Indian marrying other race not considered colourblind?

The background context makes some differences.

No or few Brahmin Indians marry low caste.

For Malay, few marry without conversion.

For Chinese everything ok. Black skin, white skin, any religion, no problem.

For Indian, white skin better.

For malay, must convert.

Alos said...

The background context makes some differences.

No or few Brahmin Indians marry low caste.

For Malay, few marry without conversion.

For Chinese everything ok. Black skin, white skin, any religion, no problem.

For Indian, white skin better.

For malay, must convert.


Caste issues only exist with FT Indians, locals don't practise this, whether they are Tamil, Sikh, Malayalee, or any other ethnicity of Indian. Also, according to Brahmin law, once they 'cross water' or leave India, they are considered untouchables, so even based on their technicality, there are no 'expat brahmins' by definition. And your 'white skin better' assumption is substantiated.

Don't just group Singaporeans with India just because of ancestral origin. I repeat, not only Chinese Singaporeans are counted as Singaporeans.

And Malays are becoming more and more liberal, I know a few Chinese/Malay couples personally, and there are no religious disputes.

I also want to tell you that caste doesn't have to do with skin colour, there were Pariahs with fair skin and Brahmins with dark skin.

Alos said...

*white skin better' assumption is unsubstantiated. sorry typo

Veritas said...

Caste issues only exist with FT Indians, locals don't practise this, whether they are Tamil, Sikh, Malayalee, or any other ethnicity of Indian. Also, according to Brahmin law, once they 'cross water' or leave India, they are considered untouchables, so even based on their technicality, there are no 'expat brahmins' by definition. And your 'white skin better' assumption is substantiated.

Don't just group Singaporeans with India just because of ancestral origin. I repeat, not only Chinese Singaporeans are counted as Singaporeans.

And Malays are becoming more and more liberal, I know a few Chinese/Malay couples personally, and there are no religious disputes.

I also want to tell you that caste doesn't have to do with skin colour, there were Pariahs with fair skin and Brahmins with dark skin.


Southern Brahmins has darker skin than Northern brahmins, but whiter than their neighbors.

Caste system is not practice here one of the reason because of anchoring effect of Chinese influences.

My friends (retired) told me he got kick out by indian neighbors.

I agree all race work towards a colorblind culture, but Sinitic is the most colorblind.

What if we got ruled by UMNO as we have been in 1963?

What if our culture is predominantly Hindic in 1965. Will guys like Citi CBP got their ways?

Today all Hindic periphery states like Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangla, pakistan got serious racial problems, as their culture is predominantly Hindic.

Veritas said...

Without the anchoring of Chinese this is what happen.

The Malay in Malaysia degenerate the word keling who is formerly neutral by inventing idioms like "cakap macam keling" -- liars.

Indians listen and hate, cannot do anything.

If Hindic get dominant, we could have a caste system. Just look at how the FT Indian @ citibank.

Only Chinese do not wish to discriminate people. We anchor he culture and minorities work towards it.

Pam said...

It's one thing to be ignorant, it's another to be ignorant and cocky. You seem to have no issue with flaunting your ignorance here.

You have such a severe lack of knowledge it's shocking. People are presenting FACT to you and you counter with weak fallacious arguments? How does that stack up? What rock do you live under??

I'm Singaporean and people like you make me embarrassed to be one.

The whole concept of being fair has got to do with how much money one has. People in the past viewed those who were fair as wealthy because they did not need to labour under the sun. This perception has carried on till today, where pretty much the WHOLE of asia is obsessed with fair skin. Chinese don't care about skin color? Hello?!?! tell that to the women in china who wear ski masks and cover up to go to the beach. Taiwan, Hongkong, Korea, Japan, the vast majority value fair skin. Not just India. It may not be as explicitly stated as with Indians but for gods sake look at the thriving cosmetic/skin whitening industry in Asia, china, hk, Taiwan etc. THAT in itself should tell you a story.

Whilst what Faz said in her post could be an exaggeration of the truth, if you had a smidgeon of intelligence you would see that skin color is not this lady's only insecurity, that it really isn't about race, that it's much more deep rooted than that.

Veritas said...

So USA not racist Singapore racist?

KJ said...

So, by your logic, it's OKAY for a Chinese person to call an Indian person a racist slur because "they don't mean it"?

And yet, somehow, when other Singaporean minorities comment on the original article calling Chinese people racist slurs it somehow becomes an "attack"?

Veritas said...

"keling" is originally a NEUTRAL Malay colloquial word for describing Indians, which was borrowed by Chinese without any ill intentions.

It got degenerated not because of Chinese or Malay Singaporeans, but Malay Malaysians.

The degeneration occur not in Chinese languages but in Berhasa Malayu in Malaysia.

The Malay and especially Singaporean Chinese may not know it.

I 100% assure you the kids may not know that it was degnerated. I knew it quite late at 2008s.

At her age, she probably got such shit in 1990s. You think we are so informed? You have a internet in 1990s?

If Indians want to complain, go complain Malaysian Malay.

Veritas said...

I consider myself a very inform Chinese. I knew keling is a slur around 2008. If I knew it 2008, how about others?

I studied the etymology of Keling. I DID NOT FIND A SINGLE BAD CONNOTATIONS in Chinese webpage.

You go look out on Malay webpage and tell me what is going on providing you are diligent as me, study Malay langauges.

KJ said...

haha, so if you had a European person tell you "you're a damn mungent" does that make it okay? you wouldn't feel the SLIGHTEST bit offended? I mean, he/she doesn't know what mungent means right?

In any case, Faz's article wasn't about her skin colour it was about how it's NOT OKAY to base your judgements on someone just because of their race or nationality. Which is EXACTLY what you have done from your blog posts down to your comments.

Veritas said...

you're a damn mungent.

No feeling. Dono whats that.

Pam said...

OH the ignorant are blissful...

Veritas said...

My stance is,

1) not fair to say USA no racist, we racist

2) if she want to write albino-phille, write it under India culture context. Dont allude anything regarding "Chinese majority".

She knew it. Indians like fair skin.

KJ said...

not a "very inform Chinese", are you now?

You know what, I'm glad you don't know what mungent means. I hope you continue to live in your happy little bubble, free from racial prejudice. :)

Veritas said...

LOL..

The kids may not know mungent then... not shameful, we are not omni-smart.

Veritas said...

I am not saying kids saying "keling" is right. Faz need to write a footnote telling everyone, explaining deeper, rather than make it look like plain racism from Chinese.

MOST DO NOT HAVE INTERNET in 90s.

For a Chinese, you may not even get the real meaning of Keling when you buy a Kamus, until today.

You think Singaporean Chinese everyday go Malaysia and speak Malay.

crazy.

If Malay slur at her, maybe that has some connotation.

Pam said...

Do you know what a key indicator of someone who knows he's lost because his points are weak but LAN LAN don't want to give up is?

That he doesn't address the counter argument, goes off in tangents and ignores the facts and what is being argued.

Fair skin is generally favoured IN ASIA.Not just India.

Singaporean Chinese ARE elitist/racist to a degree ( This is coming from someone who grew up in a Chinese school where there was only ONE Half indian half chinese boy who was on the receiving end of every racial slur imaginable)

Keling IS derogatory. It is only not derogatory in some parts of penang where SOME natives speak hokkien. Even then, I would question that source.

Are you in penang? No. You're in Singapore. It's derogatory IN SINGAPORE. Based on your logic I can call you a wang ba dan because that means turtle egg, and it doesn't mean that you're a bastard, nor does it mean that your mother is a slut, and it doesn't mean that your father, if you have one, is a cuckold loser.

Not ONCE have I mentioned the USA, nor have I compared Singapore with the USA.

Faz says her issue is with the way she is treated because of her skin colour. Like i said, read between the lines. She's got a chip on her shoulder because of other things(self image), and she's using racism, emotive and colorful language, and exaggeration to get her point across.

Veritas said...

Fair skin is generally favoured IN ASIA.Not just India.

Agree. Then highlight thats her culture. Nothing to do with Chinese.

Keling IS derogatory. It is only not derogatory in some parts of penang where SOME natives speak hokkien. Even then, I would question that source.

Since when it is derogatory and why? I would not want to go further.


The Dutch 'Dagregister' refered to Indian inhabitants of Melaka as 'Clings' or 'Klingers'. More contemporary British colonial writings also refer to the 'Klings' - again, mostly in reference to immigrants from Madras and the Coromandel coast. Nicholas Belfield Dennys' 'A Descriptive Dictionary of British Malaya' (1894) defined 'Kling' as "a general term for all the people of Hindustan, and for the country itself". Scareboeus is quoted in the 16th September 1887 issue of The
Penang Gazette as stating that "the word Kling is a most interesting one and points to a connection between the Straits and India reaching nearly as far back as the time of Alexander the Great, the only trace of which remains in its continued application to the natives of Southern India." He adds that the word was not only used in the Straits but all over the Dutch and Portuguese possessions in the East Indies.
Isabella Bird's famous travelogue of the Malay Peninsula, ' The Golden Chersonese', written in 1879, described the Klings as natives of southern India. "Among the twelve thousand natives of India who have been attracted to Singapore, and among all the mingled foreign nationalities, the Klings from the Coromandel coast, besides being the most numerous of all next to the Chinese, are the most attractive in appearance, and as there is no check on the immigration of their women, one sees the unveiled Kling beauties in great numbers." Bird's book is illustrated with a drawing of a southern Indian gentleman, captioned as 'a Kling'.
What is important to note, however, is that none of these examples of the use of the word or references to 'kelings' - from the Sejarah Melayu in the 16th century down to the British travelogues of the 19th century - were in any way used in any derogatory sense or intended as racial slurs. It was simply a word to describe the people of South India or their descendants in the Peninsula.
I personally would hate to see a word that has come down to us over the centuries and used in the epics of Malay literature to be suddenly struck out of our vocabulary in classic Orwellian 'new-speak' style - just because some people might think it is a quick-fix solution to address racism towards Malaysians of Indian descent. I realize myself that many people do use the word 'keling' in a derogatory manner and I deplore the use of terms such as 'keling mabuk todi' or 'keling karam' - but I doubt if 'India mabuk todi' or 'India karam' would be deemed less of a racial slur.
Banning a word is futile if you don't address the racism - institutional or otherwise - behind its derogatory use. And that is by far a more challenging task than striking a word out of our dictionary.

Veritas said...

Blame the use of a formerly neutral word to ignorant Chinese?

We should address the root cause.

Why
Why
Why

Pam said...

The whole concept of being fair has got to do with how much money one has. People in the past viewed those who were fair as wealthy because they did not need to labour under the sun. This perception has carried on till today, where pretty much the WHOLE of asia is obsessed with fair skin. Chinese don't care about skin color? Hello?!?! tell that to the women in china who wear ski masks and cover up to go to the beach. Taiwan, Hongkong, Korea, Japan, the vast majority value fair skin. Not just India. It may not be as explicitly stated as with Indians but for gods sake look at the thriving cosmetic/skin whitening industry in Asia, china, hk, Taiwan etc. THAT in itself should tell you a story.


Ya the chinese culture doesn't prize fair skin AT ALL.Singaporeans, Singaporean CHINESE don't give a shit about fair skin at all, and that explains why so many skin whitening products are sold in our beauty departments and constantly advertised everywhere in Singapore.

Keling - It is the opinion of one. And his argument is about the INTENT behind the use of the word generally used in a derogatory manner. Singaporean culture dictates that, Malaysian culture dictates that. It is the asian equivalent of Nigger. Nigger, Negro simply means the color black. It's since evolved to be an offensive term, much like "Keling"

The author is simply talking about how he thinks the term Keling shouldn't have any racially derogatory sentiment behind it, and it's sad that PEOPLE DO USE IT IN A DEROGATORY MANNER. And he's talking about the fact that racism should be addressed, not just the use of derogatory words.

So you're fine with me calling you a wang ba dan, because i'm not implying that you are a the bastard son of a whore, and it means turtle egg? :)

Veritas said...

Blame Hindic, for fair skin. She insinuate Chinese.

You know slur and use. Penalty.
You dono, sin lighter.

Veritas said...

I got call cina babi young days. That ALONE don make me hate and indict malays for racism even that is a real slur.

kid is a kid.

Alos said...

Southern Brahmins has darker skin than Northern brahmins, but whiter than their neighbors.

No, not true. Even in one state, in one society, the brahmins may have had darker skin than the lower castes. You are clearly not educated in this, so please do not talk about things that you know nothing about?

And how dare you say that it was the Chinese who eradicated Caste system? Do you even know who people like EVR were? Please research well before writing such biased and inaccurate comments.

Veritas said...


No, not true. Even in one state, in one society, the brahmins may have had darker skin than the lower castes. You are clearly not educated in this, so please do not talk about things that you know nothing about?


LOL

Alos said...

LOL Nothing real to say now that I called out your fallacious "observations"?

Veritas said...

http://books.google.com.sg/books?id=lbnYaLGWnr8C&pg=PA48&dq=brahmin+fair+skin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NpeLUY_LDob4rQev3IGYBA&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=brahmin%20fair%20skin&f=false

Alos said...

So you know how to google the phrase "Brahmin Fair skin". You still haven't refuted my argument. If you really want to know about the subject matter, buy or DL the pdf of books by EVR's students.

Maybe then you'll have a basic understanding of Indian culture and Indian caste system.

Also, surfing the net =/= research. You should have learnt that since secondary school.

Also, your butthurt seems to be caused by something that happened at Citibank. Why? Did they turn down your job application, causing your bigoted prejudice and self-entitled pride?

Veritas said...

:)

Anonymous said...

Your grammar is atrocious. Guess that wasn't in the syllabus, back in China. Perhaps, if you were nicer to your Indian friends, they could teach you a thing or two.

Anonymous said...

I think chinese appears color blinded because chinese goes after $$$ first, not race or religion. malays goes after religion; indians goes after their caste system; angmohs goes after myths like freedom and equality. THis world is full of lies and misconceptions.

Veritas said...

I think chinese appears color blinded because chinese goes after $$$ first, not race or religion. malays goes after religion; indians goes after their caste system; angmohs goes after myths like freedom and equality. THis world is full of lies and misconceptions.

It contains some elements of truth. I would not deny it. Good comment.

Anonymous said...

The truth is this indian girl will be discriminated by her surnames in india and religion in malaysia. Discrimination, such as race, religion, wealth, philosophy, is everywhere so live with it and overcome it.

Anonymous said...

Dont flatter yourself. Not all Indians hate their skin color. Most of us simply find it demeaning when you tell us that we ought to be apologetic about it. Even if we did have a problem with any part of our body, that doesnt give YOU the right to spew hate. You can hate/love your eyes, but it's not my place to insult you.

White man's land is not mine. I can choose to leave. But this is my country as much as yours. I would never take racist shit from anyone. But you and I belong to the same country. So it's sad. Just sad.

Veritas said...

Dont flatter yourself. Not all Indians hate their skin color. Most of us simply find it demeaning when you tell us that we ought to be apologetic about it. Even if we did have a problem with any part of our body, that doesnt give YOU the right to spew hate. You can hate/love your eyes, but it's not my place to insult you.

White man's land is not mine. I can choose to leave. But this is my country as much as yours. I would never take racist shit from anyone. But you and I belong to the same country. So it's sad. Just sad.


She attack my tribe with misinformation, I retort.

Veritas said...

I agree that Chinese are racist but we are the least racist among all tribe.

I wrote countlessly attacking my tribe for racism, in Many Many occasions. I want my tribe to improve. We need to do better and introspect. I am colorblind.

If she present the truth I support her. She write SHIT.

Anonymous said...

veritas, get your head checked. psycho.

Anonymous said...

She attacked your tribe?? What are you? A Singaporean or a Chinese. Given your generous vitriolic I am quite sure you are some loser hiding behind the computer screen in a foreign country.. Otherwise you would have had your ignorant ass hauled to court long time ago! Funny how your entire commentary paints you more and more as a racist.

Anonymous said...

I am very heartened that the majority of people here have condemned veritas comments. It is more encouraging to see the local Chinese community standing up for Indians. This is the noble Singaporean character that often goes unnoticed. Veritas is an intruder to our beliefs as a multicultural nation. Yes, we do have our differences but we share common ethos of being Singaporean. And it is times like these that our true character shines; binding as one, standing up for each other. Veritas you hide behind a foreign land and degrade us. You are an incorrigible racist. An imbecile who should be spurned like a disease. You are a disgrace to your community and an insult to your ancestors. You are sick and repulsive, an excuse for a human . I have never come across such a distasteful and despicable character.You are everything we should never ever be.

Anonymous said...

I think Veritas is a girl/guy from China, who has been discriminated (unfaily, I must add) because of her/his poor English, yellow skin and slanty eyes.

I think she/he had a bad experience in the UK, before becoming interested in Singapore.

Alos said...

I agree that Chinese are racist but we are the least racist among all tribe.

I wrote countlessly attacking my tribe for racism, in Many Many occasions. I want my tribe to improve. We need to do better and introspect. I am colorblind.

If she present the truth I support her. She write SHIT.


Here's the refutation: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-q3zqxNPiL4k/T3SqRvnAi3I/AAAAAAAABzY/NcRThSYmtRs/s1600/thattweet.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/44252_234166140046468_569685172_n.jpg

http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120814-365300.html

I have many many more of isolated incidents. I'm not saying these guys represent their whole race, like what you claim, but I just want to prove that your idea of Chinese (Singaporean or otherwise) are inherently 'colorblind'.

Veritas said...

These people need to improve

Veritas said...

But do not change the fact the Chinese is still the least racist comparing on all chinese states, muslim states, Hindic, and western.

Here you can apostasy and no one call u dalits

Veritas said...

You ask me what we need to improve. I would say,

1) Implement bahasa indonesia beacause malay is national language

2) FT Policy got to moderate and it better we do not import Indians and Chinese if we want FT. We can get nuetral people who are equally as smart. I would say we import eastern european.

3) Malay representation in SAF got to improve. Nevertheless Indians are over-represented in the highest level, Not Chinese.

Anyone raise these 3 issues, I would agree both hands.

Alos said...

I thought you were colourblind? Yet you want racial policies such as in point 3? If you were truly colourblind, you would not be bothered if the percentage of a race in SAF does not match the demographics of the whole country.

Veritas said...

I thought you were colourblind? Yet you want racial policies such as in point 3? If you were truly colourblind, you would not be bothered if the percentage of a race in SAF does not match the demographics of the whole country.

try harder next time

Alos said...

try harder next time

You made two statements that contradict each other, and when I ask you which one you believe in, you can't answer.

Anonymous said...

It is interesting to note that at no point in the entire article did Faz mention anything about Singaporean Chinese being racist, just the fact that Singaporeans can be racist in GENERAL.

I don't understand your over zealousness in trying to prove that Indians are actually more racist than the Chinese (or your "tribe" as you proclaim). What's your need to get so defensive?

Point: Singaporeans can be racist
Your argument: Yeah sure, but we are better than the Indians

That's one of the worst ways to actually defend your case. You should sit down and use your brain instead of vomiting your opinions and in general negatively influencing how people view Singaporeans.

What you seem to be saying in your entire entry is that the Singaporeans who are guilty of being racist can rest easy because hey, at least they are not as bad as the Indians. By all means, continue being immature and arrogant, so long as we don't cross the threshold that Indians have set for us. It's all A-Okay.

You did a masterful job of completely deflecting the main point of the entry to push your own agenda.

What would have come off better is if you conceded that, yes, some Singaporeans in general(not Chinese Singaporeans specifically), are guilty of these shameless acts and there have been people who felt victimised by their actions. But not all Singaporeans are like that and that she was wrong in making sweeping generalisations. All I see is a complete lack of empathy.

On a personal level, your ramblings on this blog bring down the image of Singaporeans in the eyes of other people. You are one of those typical trolls who thinks they know more than what they really do and claim to see the reality behind all the facades.

So please, on behalf of all Singaporeans, kindly STFU and take your narrow minded single track opinions elsewhere. Seriously. I worry for the country when I see people like you.

Veritas said...

Sorry about that. I get very angry when I see some commenters attacking Chinese.

I am not a racism

Faz insinuate Chinese Singaporeans racism when she give a backdrop of Chinese Singaporean majority.

She could have explain further that albino-phille is Hindic culture.

She could have explain this "keling" thing has more to do with Malay languages.

My point is Chinese Singaporeans are racist. But we are least racist among all tribe.

We need to improve.

If Faz give other truthful incidence of Chinese Singaporeans racism, I support her both hand.

Veritas said...

But I agree minorities can be victimized during young age.

Anonymous said...

what? a report against Veritas??? she didn't do anything wrong!!! i support her

Anonymous said...

that's the thing about Chinese. They don't look at their own backsides.
Plenty of Chines go for plastic surgery to heighten their nose, make their eyes bigger- adopt White names- go for white guys.
Its become a joke in the international community.If the Indian girl uses whitening cream its to attract Indian guys-not like Chinese girls go for plastic surgery to attract white guys.
Haha

Veritas said...

Backside or not is not your problem. Indians attributing their own albino-phille to Chinese fault is vicious lies and due to Indians' mad hate against Chinese.

Anonymous said...

1962 India China war where India suffer humiliating defeat, China successfully launched rocket into the orbit many times, India still struggle with their rocket technical problem, China is stronger and powerful than India, during WW2 some of the British officer had to chained their Indian soldiers when fighting the Japanese etc...

Anonymous said...

Rabid anti Indian websites like yours where you spend effort to put down Indians show how much you hate them. Now I don't know how representative this is of the the rest of the Chinese majority here.

But about the plastic surgery among the East Asians- please read it up- its a worldwide phenomenon.

Veritas said...

I am here to inform Chinese that Indian hate us. The worst hate site against Chinese is also the biggest English newspaper in the world, THE TIMES OF INDIA.

I have wrote from facts. TOI fabricate lies against Chinese.

Anonymous said...

Aiya. Let the garment settle this problem. You all races dont kpo. Dont talk so much shoot here and there. Many keyboard warriors having war here. Wa....
Piu.... Piu... Piu... (*®_@*)

Anonymous said...

Dear Everyone,

I just want to express my opinion in this blogger, that at the end of the day, politically, we as Asian people are too divided by the Western media far too often. I'm of Asian background, by descent but was born in Australia, and a person who is proud and happy to be an Australian.

As a minority, we have learnt through the hard way of raw racism and went into joining anti race wars against the white majority causing physical, health and mental damage in the end. And in many of us, it can be seen apparent that the real cause of the problem is that often the minorities are not as united as the majority.

However, hate against hate only results into more hate, which in itself is a vicious circle that will not/ never end. And strangely enough, by learning how to tolerate (whoever is the initiator) always prevails into a more tolerant behavior by the opposing side.

Time may tell, but effort should be initiated and implemented at the right moment.

Honestly, in general, for myself, Singapore has been a far more tolerant and respectful country towards different types/background of people as compared to that of ours.

I can assure you, that more often than not, but in our country racism becomes a political vehicle of the opposing parties!

R.R

Anonymous said...

Dear Everyone,

I just want to express my opinion in this blogger, that at the end of the day, politically, we as Asian people are too divided by the Western media far too often. I'm of Asian background, by descent but was born in Australia, and a person who is proud and happy to be an Australian.

As a minority, we have learnt through the hard way of raw racism and went into joining anti race wars against the white majority causing physical, health and mental damage in the end. And in many of us, it can be seen apparent that the real cause of the problem is that often the minorities are not as united as the majority.

However, hate against hate only results into more hate, which in itself is a vicious circle that will not/ never end. And strangely enough, by learning how to tolerate (whoever is the initiator) always prevails into a more tolerant behavior by the opposing side.

Time may tell, but effort should be initiated and implemented at the right moment.

Honestly, in general, for myself, Singapore has been a far more tolerant and respectful country towards different types/background of people as compared to that of ours.

I can assure you, that more often than not, but in our country racism becomes a political vehicle of the opposing parties!

R.R

Komaresan Subramanian said...

Dumb fuck

Sanjay said...

Any reasonable person would understand that the Indians and Malays in this country have no incentive to hate singaporean chinese who are not racist. For this person, veritas, to harbour such hatred n vitriol towards Indians just because of comments from faz, indicates her bigotry. I'm glad that I know singaporean chinese who do not think or behave like veritas, faz'is generalisation may not stand up to scrutiny but no one can deny that the treatment she received was derogatory - to fail to admit that shows a complete lack of compassion - not worthy of being called a human being

Anonymous said...

I am an Indian girl living in India. I am not here to rant that Indians are better than others. I think personally that article written by the Indian girl when she was emotionally unstable and i am not not telling that whatever she said is right.She did exaggerate to some point please note that my prediction is she was emotionally unstable.

Veritas --- i am seriously disappointed with your comments against Indians. I come from a small town in Tamil Nadu and never in my lifetime till now someone told me anything that makes me hate Chinese.I have always been told they are very hard working people all in the positive way. I always admire Chinese for being hard working people. But your comments made me feel sad but still i would like to tell that there are good and bad everywhere.

As far caste issue is concerned.People are not obsessed with caste as before. 90% of marriages in India are arranged by parents so naturally its rare to see people marry out of their race or caste. But i have seen inter- religious marriage here to the point that both did not convert their religions at all.

Singapore is a beautiful country where multiculturalism can experienced to a great extent.It makes me sad you ranting like this in this blog post.It gives other people who read a bad view about Singapore Chinese even though i believe most of them are not like that.

Anonymous said...

What Veritas said less than what need to be revealed.India is the worst country as far as racism is concerned.They dont moral at all.Every drop of the hat there is riots,communal clashes,rape(rape as punishment for the girl if she marries other caste),murders etc.

As for Indian hatred against Mongoloid looking people are vivid everywhere.Type just "racist attack to NE(north east people)."North people comprises of states of India(as of now) colonized by Indian after their independence(shamelessly,who(india) was ironically was under british rule for more than 200 years)...

When I m writing this,there is uproar going these days for series of racial attack to NE people.

Hence Indian should never be allowed anywhere but confined to their home country with their racism.

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Anonymous said...

Veritas,if you had any tint of doubt over what you said,please be sure that all you said is correct and scitifically correct,so,please carry on.These indian racist deserves to who they are outside their home country.They are worst than animal.

Worst rape happen in india,women are killed every second not to be exaggerated at all(half must be goes to mongoloid looking woman-NE).

Indian govt has imposed ASPFA arm force power special act to the army to RAPE,KILL,MURDER,INTERROGATE, free hand without any warrant against eastern part of india(as of now)(North East-NE)

Where ever indian goes they have tentency to create hatred,riots,racism,corruption,etc

Anonymous said...

http://shanghaiist.com/2014/02/05/chinese-looking_student_death_spark.php

Veritas, this is a good article for your future topic.

DARK_Gabriel said...

What a bunch of racist fools who can;t work together and fuck each other genders of out pure Ecstasy...tats why prostitution is very prevalent in Singapore ...If it was truly Multi-racial we would have alot of Hybirds by now...