Thursday, April 25, 2013

Singaporean Chinese is the greatest victim of cultural genocide Part 1 : We are speaking "Chinese dialects"?

In the below article Hokkien is used interchangeably with Minnan. Minnan is the scholastic term for Hokkien languages.

The "Speak Mandarin" campaign by PAP has been a good target for many wicked minorities demagogues to attack Singaporean Chinese as racist. Their writings give false impression that "Mandarin was forced upon" minorities. They felt injured. Many of these writings style, especially in the recent years appears to be the works of FT Indians.

Many Singaporean Chinese not able to defend these evil slanders. We felt that we are really "racist". In reality, the "Speak Mandarin" campaign is exactly the cultural genocide of Singaporean Chinese, and all our prostitute intellects are not informing us in exchange for PAP patrons.

Today, "Singaporean Chinese Dialects" are the only lects that are prohibited to be broadcast in TV programs. They are actively persecuted. When I was studying,  all MOE schools treated our lects as something of a vulgarities, liable to incur punishments. Every other dialects are abled to be air except that of Chinese. Linguistic scholars knew that English, Dutch, are examples of Germanic dialects. French, Spanish, Portuguese and Italians are dialects of Latin. Russian, Polish, Czech, Ukranian, Yugoslavic are dialect of Slavic languages. Everyone of them are able to be aired to be relished as exotic foreign language programs.

Other than that, we have exotics Japanese, Korean, Arabic cable channels. The programs forbidden by PAP are those that speaks Hokkien and Cantonese.

In short, all minorities have access to their own language TV in Singapore, our Singaporean Chinese has no access. "Speak Mandarin" program is a noise, and ranting by PAP that does not affect an iota of our minorities, but is a cultural genocide to Singaporean Chinese. Unfortunately, many minorities seize the chance, and use it to attack Singaporean Chinese, who themselves are the greatest victims of cultural genocide.

What if?

PAP always pretended that Singaporean Chinese are speaking "Chinese Dialects". That is a lie. In scholastic terms, Hokkien and Cantonese languages are separate languages under the Sinitic languages family, same as Mandarin.


To impose Mandarin on Chinese people is similar as imposing German on English and Dutch speakers, Latin on French, Spanish or Portuguese speakers...etc.

What about imposing

Hindi on Bengali, Punjabi, Urdu speakers because all are Hindustanic languages?
Telegu on Tamil and Malayalam speakers because all are Dravidic languages?

Linguistic distance of Sinitic lects are further apart than lects of other family. They can almost be consider under a separate family of languages.

Base on my research, the mutual intelligibility of lects of certain languages group are quite high. For example, speakers of

Latin - Spanish, Portuguese and Italian could have a high degree of mutual intelligibility.
Hindustanic - Hindi, Urdu and Punjabi have a high degree of mutual intelligibility.
Dravidic - Tamil and Malayalam have a high degree of mutual intelligibility.
Germanic - German and Dutch have a high degree of mutual intelligibility.
Slavic - Russian and Ukranian have a high degree of mutual intelligibility.

The mutual intelligibility of Cantonese, Minnan and Mandarin is a big ZERO.

Geographic distance of linguistic center

The mutual unintelligibility of Sinitc languagues is not surprising. The standard German language center is located somewhere in middle Germany, around the area of Frankfurt. The Dutch based on the West Germanic lect spoken near Amsterdam, is 400 km apart.

A geographic distance of only 400 km between is able to give rise to two lects, the German and Dutch within the West Germanic family. (Not the upper node of Germanic family yet).

The distance between Guangzhou, the center of Cantonese and Beijing, the center of Mandarin is more than 1700 km apart. There is no surprise that Mandarin, Cantonese and Minnan are classified as different languages and are totally unintelligible to speakers of all these languages.

Minnan, Cantonese and Mandarin are very different even at the very basic level

Many languages within a big parent language umbrella are quite similar at basic level. This is not the case for Sinitic lects, grammatically and phonetically, and lexically, which use different sets of Chinese characters. For example, the sentence "you give me his book" as below.



Mandarin

你  給  我   他   的     書。(you-give-me-his-book)
nǐ  gěi wǒ  tā   de   shū

Cantonese


你      畀     佢       本      書         我。(you-give-his-book-me)

nei5  bei2  keoi5  bun2   syu1  ngo5


Minnan (Hokkein)


汝  予      我     伊    ea    册   (you-give-me-his-book)

lu   hou   wa    yi    ea    cei


Not only there are complete different in pronunciation, but also grammar and lexicons.The same thing in Germanic languages like English, German "Du gibst mir sein Buch" and Dutch "je geeft me zijn boek" would look quite close compared to Sinitic langauges.

Poor Singaporean Chinese fooled by Kuan Yew and condemned as "racist", by minorities

In short, our fathers did not fight LKY. We have lost our culture. We believe our "mother tongue is mandarin", but in reality Mandarin is a Sinitic languages heavily influenced by northern China barbarians.

Our intellects prostitute themselves to LKY. Many people did not know how much Kuan Yew hate Chinese culture. It is not surprising that Singaporean Chinese today despise their mother tongue, and hope to kill Chinese education, in public schools.

I will continue this topic in next article. 


SIBEI DULAN

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

I speak a vareity of languages - english, chinese, cantonese, hokkien, dutch, french. I do not think they are very different - they are just means of communication. E.g. Papa and mama is quite universal. We should focus on what unite us rather than what separate us. This world is meant to be in peace. THe difference are there for some reasons but not to sow discord or separate us.

Veritas said...

Same as you, I have native fluency of Hokkien and Mandarin, close to native fluency of English. I can converse in Cantonese in a peculiar tone.

My French, Spanish and Japanese is up to a very high functioning level. I have some understanding of German.

If you look at my article, the main point is we are under PAP's cultural genocide.

Hokkien is never a "dialect" but a very distinct branch of Sinitic languages.

With the lost of Hokkien, a hell lot of culture is lost.

What is the reason for banning Hokkien and Cantonese TV while we are able to watch Japanese movie on cable?

The lost of our own Sinitic lect is the primary reasons of our kids despising Mandarin in schools.

And PAP has been destroying our culture. I will blog more about it.

Anonymous said...

completely agree with you here.

unfortunately we no longer have the linguistic environment to revert to what has been.

Veritas said...

We must try to reverse genocide of our mother tongue.

We cannot give up.

Anonymous said...

It is too late, we are speaking 2 languages of our colonizers, English and mandarins

Veritas said...

We need to hook up with Taiwan. We need to air Hokkien and program.

Cantonese is going strong. If we allow HK drama, Cantonese will revived pretty quickly.

But we are running out of time. We can only have Cantonese and Minnan program after LKY was loaded up.

Anonymous said...

What to do? The old man is still around.good people die young but bad people die later.some live longer to 100 years.
while the bad people live longer they make the lives of good people more miserable.
Many problems are created by him and miws.here are some eg
Singles have trouble buying a house
houses in Singapore is costly
public transport always packed like sardine in peak hours due to high intake of FT.The list goes on..................
Everyone is tired of this tyrants imposing his ways onto the local citizen.What can we do? We can only pray that this tyrant and his party will lose 2016 parliament seats.

Anonymous said...

Now the state-controlled media is showing Liu Bo Wen but dubbed in Mandarin.

It is currently shown in Malaysian channel in Minnan !

Dialect broadcasting will not affect the standard of Mandarin speakers, in fact they speak better Mandarin across the causeway.

Veritas said...

Get real. LKY wanted to kill Chinese culture. He is a mole of white man.

This is the reason why Singaporean Chinese despise and hate even Mandarin, not to say our own Minnan language.

Anonymous said...

we do not have to fear saying the truth as it is. LKY hates chinese culture.

Anonymous said...

Your languages may be at a 'high functioning level' but I really can't say the same for your intellect. You have just trawled the internet for some silly views and have added your own (very questionable) sentiments to them. If you had been a victim of unfair practices at work by some Indian FT or if you had some kind of failed relationship with some one from that race , you need to deal with it in a more mature manner. I hope you get some help, cause you really need it!

Veritas said...

You go and talk to Silicon valley engineers and go visit some bloggers from big tech like microsoft.

And also go and visit discussion groups in white man land searching the topic of Indian.

And you come and talk to me.

Despite whiteman elites hates chinese, very few white man peasant resent chinese, after so much toxic propaganda. Many think yellow people are honest and kind.

You go and read in all these forums how white man think about Indians.

Indians are loath everywhere. There must be a reason. I do not want to repost these forums here, must I.

Anonymous said...

Are you fascinated by whites? You seem to hold their opinion in such high regard? The truth is, you are perpetuating something you claim to be against. You have a personal agenda, that's quite obvious. You sound like a jilted lover. I hope your life extends beyond this meaningless vitriolic. God help you.

Veritas said...

I am here to tell the truth. People have exposed enough of Islam, of Commie China, of Nazi or Stalin...etc. Many of these are overblown or sort of bias, that is not that important. But very few people actually knew the danger of Hindic civilizations. I am here to fill up the gap. Last saturday, a few Sri Lanka Tamil here try to protest against Sinhalese, crying out Tamils are victims. If you study culture of Hindic civilization carefully, both side are racist who screw wherever land they reign.

I sincerely hope Indians can forgo their racism. Come and learn from Chinese. Stop accusing us of racism because you Indians know you are universe biggest racist.

Anonymous said...

Veritas, your location states Singapore, whereas your e-mail seems to hold an UK account. Are you residing in Singapore? If you are, you can be called up by the authorities for your absolutely racist and seditious blogs. Your obnoxiously racist comments pose a risk to the values of respect, understanding and harmony we stand for as Singaporeans. You are sowing discord among the races and present a danger to racial and religious harmony in our country. Rightfully, you should be reported to the Internal Security Department (ISD), if you are Singaporean (which I would be ashamed to find out) or residing in our country. We show zero tolerance towards racism.

If you are a foreigner, or residing in foreign land, then you are an intruder to our peace. You are sowing discord and inciting disharmony among Singaporeans. As a foreigner or one who is on foreign land, you are a threat to our peace and stability. We as Singaporeans are proud of our multicultural way of life. Fundamental to this, is the respect we accord to our fellow countrymen, no matter what race or religion they profess regardless of origins. Your perverse thinking of abusing race and religion to convert others to your insidious thoughts bears similarity to extremists with vile intentions. You are not only a danger to our country but your home country. You should be investigated.

I strongly urge you to refrain from fuelling further hate speech and take down your blog posts which are racist and inhumane, which incidentally, most of them are. I read your blogs with careful scrutiny, you not only violate the acts of Singapore, but the UN. Acts which were enacted to protect humanity, world order and peace.

Above all, I seriously think you need to see a psychiatrist. You seem to suffer from deep psychological trauma.

Concerned Singaporean

Veritas said...

By the way, UK law makers has just indicted FT Indians bring their racism/caste-ism to UK, and they have only 1.5% Indians.

We have roughly roughly 6% FT Indians here. You think we wont have these problems?

Even oversea dalits complain you high caste Indians.

This is what even the Times of India has written.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-04-28/india/38877655_1_caste-uk-law-indian-diaspora

NO ONE complaint oversea yellow of racism. NO ONE.

Who is racist?

And Sri Lanka Tamil fought because Sinhalese brought their civil service proportion from above 20% to 10%, roughly correspond to their demographic proportion in Sri Lanka.

In Singapore FT Indians bring their numbers to close to 90% at CBP Citibank, despite they are 6% here.

Why only FT Indians. There are more talented Eastern Europeans and PRC Chinese. And only Singaporean Chinese who is non racist can tolerate such racism that FT Indians imported to SG.

If this is not racism, what is?

Veritas said...

The tribe who threaten our racial harmony is not Chinese, not Malay, not local Indians, not whiteman, not Korean, Japs or all other south east Asians, not hispanic or blacks.

The greatest tribe who threaten racial harmony here is FT Indians(high caste one). And they have proven again and again they are big threat to racial harmony unless something is done to rein them.

Anonymous said...

Veritas

1) The Singapore Indian resident population is about 9%
2) Majority are locals, minority are PRs
3) Majority of locals in Singapore are not low-caste Indians
4) Local Indians have no caste and do not practise the caste system here
5) India denounces the caste system. Though in some quarters the caste system is still practiced, it is not something which India advocates, prescribes nor is proud about.
6) Citibank does not have 90% Indian employees.
7) Race has nothing to do with talent.
8) Anti-foreigner sentiments, come up in most parts of the world, from time to time, against immigrants, be it Chinese, Indians, East Asians, Europeans etc. All depends on which country you live in. This is due to a number of reasons. Differences in Socio cultural norms being one. For example, in the US some are against immigration of Asians, Hispanics and Mexicans. Australians in some instances, have ridiculed Chinese and Indian immigrants. The list goes on.
9) If you have read recent reports, there are integration issues between locals and immigrants in Singapore. Local Chinese see cultural differences with Chinese from China, similarly local Indians with Indians.
10) Calling a human being "yellow” shows your stereotypical views.
11) Calling all Indian FTs racist, bigots, murderers etc. reveals you are a racist.
12) For what you have said, chances are, you can get yourself in trouble with the law, especially if you reside here in Singapore.
13) You need help.

These are not threats.
These are facts.

Concerned Singaporean


Veritas said...

We have 200,000 FT Indians working here only. I get roughly 6% of FT Indians assuming they have 2-3 dependency.

Majority of local Indians are off-springs of indentured workers. How about the caste of indentured workers.

Some of the high caste one got a certain surname that you could directly identify them and such surnames are absent from the locals.

Local Indians does practice caste system at least 40 years ago. Now they do not because they mix with Chinese. I heard my Indian colleagues told me he got kick out by his neighbours because of caste.

Indian does not stricly enforces it law against caste-ist. Look at how police condones rape and devdasi.

I am talking about Citi CBP where it is extremely observable. Others Indian racist organization are very observable but citi CBP is really a shithole.

Your IQ could change in one or two generations if the parents work hard enough. I believe. IQ more due to work ethnics going up for generations. But you cannot deny blacks got persistently low in all IQ studies, and yellow and jews are always high.

I have read about Jews in Israel. The oriental jews though lower IQ than ashkenazi quickly catch up in the next generation.

The white man is racist. Non as racist as caste system and those idiots in Citi CBP and many other FT Indians infested organization.

When I saw FT Indians accusing Singaporean Chinese as racist, I just feel angry. I feel I want to expose them. Now even UK government indict them despite of their small numbers 1.5% in UK.

What do you think of SG when we have so big numbers of them?

Anonymous said...

I am amused of how shallow you are. Local Indians do not practise caste system cause they mix with Chinese? I am dumbfounded by your ignorance. You are making foolish assumptions that proves your intellectual deficit. The caste system had never survived among local Indians cause we were educated enough to know it is a disease which divides the human kind. Generations after Indians who held roots in Singapore since independence disassociated with the caste ststem.In fact India condemns it. Not because of mixing with Chinese. Among early migrants who were Chinese or Indians were coolies or workers. They worked their way up and created a better educated lot. Nothing to do with genes here. You speak so much about IQ. Something which you seem to sorely lack.


Concerned Singaporean

Veritas said...

I am amused of how shallow you are. Local Indians do not practise caste system cause they mix with Chinese? I am dumbfounded by your ignorance. You are making foolish assumptions that proves your intellectual deficit. The caste system had never survived among local Indians cause we were educated enough to know it is a disease which divides the human kind. Generations after Indians who held roots in Singapore since independence disassociated with the caste ststem.In fact India condemns it. Not because of mixing with Chinese. Among early migrants who were Chinese or Indians were coolies or workers. They worked their way up and created a better educated lot. Nothing to do with genes here. You speak so much about IQ. Something which you seem to sorely lack.

Then they can go back India even today see if caste head Indian there shit on them.

You think education very big shot?

Anonymous said...

Yes Indians are not very well liked- simply because they keep to themselves and treasure their own culture and tradition. The Jews were also hated because they were not cosmopolitan.
Chinese are well liked because a lot of them (women)tend to marry out-especially to white men.
And look at your pic- a Chinese putting up a white woman's pic. Your worship them. That's for sure

Anonymous said...

and what did you say? Chinese are kind and honest?
Look at the fake and poisonous goods and foods coming out of china. They even poison their own children by poisoning the milk.
They abuse animals, torture animals for extra taste.
The lastest is how they killed a dolphin.
Maybe a pretty Indian woman rejected you in the office and now you hate all the India Indians. And local Indians practice the Caste system too though may not be so rigorous

Veritas said...

and what did you say? Chinese are kind and honest?
Look at the fake and poisonous goods and foods coming out of china. They even poison their own children by poisoning the milk.
They abuse animals, torture animals for extra taste.
The lastest is how they killed a dolphin.
Maybe a pretty Indian woman rejected you in the office and now you hate all the India Indians. And local Indians practice the Caste system too though may not be so rigorous


All these Chinese pollution and exploitative capitalism will be gone in China within 20 years, as China develop further. But all Chinese flaws are no match for the wickedness of traditional indian evil like sati, caste-ism, racism, dowry killings.

But Indian's caste system, racism, dowry killing, will be here to stay because Indian refuse to see these shit as evil. Because of their denial, India cannot progress, and India will remain in shit.

And for your info, Indian man like marry Chinese woman. They know Chinese are good and now Indian girl KPKB, "why our man don like us".

Veritas said...

But I admit mainland Chinese is cunning and oversea chinese cannot really get alone with them too well as well.

Anonymous said...

you seem to have a dislike for Northern Chinese ( "Barbarians-as you put it). In the Adam and eve primer discussion, you said it was 'appalling' that Southerners should have Northern Y genes ( haplogroups)

Whats your problem with them?

Veritas said...

Do you have humor?

FYI there is no longer any homogeneous Han Chinese. My ancestral village was called 南蛮 Southern barbarian.

Anonymous said...

I notice that in Singapore PRC also don't get along with the local Chinese. There have been incidents such as that Sun Xu and other PRC.
Is this the great divide that you are talking about

Anonymous said...

Is this why you are promoting Southern Chinese dialects instead of Mandarin which is all encompassing for the Chinese

Anonymous said...

and one great separator I notice is in the pronunciation of the words. The PRC speak quite vastly different from the SEA Chinese

Anonymous said...

Hokkien pronunciation is closer to ancient chinese language spoken duringTang dynasty or even early. Japanese temple monk using the same language to read their ancient script almost identical to Hokkien, the Mandarin language is a mixture of Beijing local dialect and barbarian Munchu.

Anonymous said...

ah I see now. "mandarin is Beijing dialect + Barbarian Munchu" ( your words)

Therefore mandarin is barbarian while Hokkien is the true classy refined tongue of the Han. Is that what you are saying?

Veritas said...

Yes you are right. Mandarin is manchurian Sinitic lect and due to its barbarian mixture, it is branch off as a subset of middle Chinese.

While Hokkien does not gone through even the middle Chinese mutation. It is the direct descendant of ancient Sinitic.

The Chinese classics and phonetic restoration are often studied through the lens of Hokkien.

Veritas said...

The mandarin people does not denied their lect is Northern branch and removed from ancient Sinitic, even compared to the Cantonese, similar to mandarin, is a descendent of middle Chinese.

The Hokkien is a descendant of old Chinese.

The Chinese are extremely desensitize to all these racial shit. Such remark may incur accusation of racism by other tribe, not the Chinese.

All Chinese linguist admit to this fact.

In fact in NTU and research lab, I even mock the Northern Chinese as descendant of those who "screw widow step mother,and brothers' widow", we have a good laugh.

妻后母、报寡嫂

This is a custom of Northern Mongoloid minorities of China. In fact, all Han Chinese are aware that we are non homogeneous.

We have mongols, turks, manchus, Malay and Vietnamese...etc blood. The non racism of Chinese ensure that we do not fight. Our lect is 100% non intelligible.

Our non racism not only ensure that we do not fight, but we see one another as brothers. The linguistic distance of 2 Sinitic lect can be as far as Bengali vs Urdu or German vs English.

Our minorities talk a lot and accuse Chinese as racist. All our minorities in their core states, has fared much poorer in racial harmony than Sinic core state.

Anonymous said...

are you that guy recently in the papers promoting his Hokkien childrens comics? He used to wrok in advertising and now he works with prisoners.

Veritas said...

no

Anonymous said...

Thank you for speaking up. Many thumbs up for you!!
You have bigger balls than my Chinese male boss who worships my indian colleagues like they are goddesses. I have sent in my resignation.

It's frustrating seeing the Chinese here (not all but many) so afraid to stand up to indian clients etc ... because of an inner fear of being labelled a racist.

I have read many posts online bashing Singaporean Chinese and I am sick and tired of being bullied.

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

"you're racist" is not an argument. To hell with virtue signalling.

I'm Chinese Singaporean and i'm racist. I hate FT Indians. Not the construction workers though.